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BeauBrummel

 

From The Webmaster.

Posted 6-20-2000 16:58


 Hi, all Beau Brummels fans! How do you like the new look I have given the site? There were a few problems but many have been fixed and the site seems to be up and running perfect. You are welcome to post here on the message board as much as you like. I hope everyone enjoys the new site and some of the new features coming soon! I will try to post here often to let you know what's going on.
   Cassasong

 

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BeauBrummel

 

BAYPOP

Posted 7-18-2000 18:26

 I have looked at the "Bay Pop" website that says the Brummels will be performing, Aug 2nd, however I do not know if this is the original line-up, or some new line-up. When I find more news about this event I will let everyone know.
 

 Cass

Jackson Hart [guest]

 

Re: Original Members

Posted 4-13-2001 11:37

 Read a bit of misinformation, on this site, that has always seemed to follow this band around. Ron Meagher was the last of the five original members to join the group, not Declan Mulligan. Ron was from Oakland, California, and answered an ad (or a female friend of his told him she knew of an SF band looking for a bass player, don't remember, off the top of my head). The other four were all in San Franciso, Dec originally finding his way there, from Ireland. Declan and Ron Elliott met while both playing in a band that was working Irish dances at The Carousal Ballroom (later Fillmore West), and were already playing together, before The Beau Brummels first formed. Elliott knew Sal from St. Peter & Paul's School in North Beach, and the four of them played together, with a variety of bass players, before Ron Meagher finally came on board. I knew one of these bass players, Ron Drucker, who didn't wish to stay with the group, because of Mucisian's Union concerns, and didn't get along well with Declan at all.
This is not a large time frame we're talking about here, but it is accurate, I promise. I know all of these people, personally..............Jackson

BeauBrummel

 

RE: Baypop

Posted 4-17-2001 01:39


 Thank you, for letting me know... actually I have heard rumors of this back and forth, but nothing really true that to the fact as you stated. I will change it when I get a free moment :)
 Cass

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

The 1974 Reunion

Posted 5-25-2001 22:48

 Greetings to Everyone,

 Does anyone know who in the group started the reunion effort back in '74? Was it generated by a particular event? Many thanks in advance. It is great to find fellow BB fans.

Take Care,
   Stephen

Jackson Hart [guest]

 

The Reunion

Posted 5-26-2001 21:56

John Petersen was pretty instrumental in getting that reunion, and album, started. John and Ted Templeman, Warner's top producer, at the time, were still close (they were band mates in Harpers Bizarre, by the way, in earlier days), and the idea was spawned, originally, between the two of them, so I've been told, and came from John's efforts, basically.

Stephen C. [guest]

 

BB Reunion

Posted 5-29-2001 10:31

Hello Mr. Hart,

Thank-you for your kind response. I appreciate the information a great deal. I understand that Ron Meagher's participation in the reunion was limited as he wanted to play guitar instead of bass (coincidentally, Chris Hillman wanted to play more guitar on the 1973 Byrds reunion). Was this the only reason for Ron M.'s limited involvement? Were there personal differences as well?

And if you do not mind my asking, how did you become involved with the BB's? Do you have any favorite moments that you would like to share? Many thanks in advance.

Take Care,
  Stephen Cargile

Jackson Hart [guest]

 

Reunion

Posted 5-29-2001 11:46

Ron being on guitar was a situation that was created by a band he was in with Declan, way back then. The hottest club band in San Francisco was The Black Velvet Band, through the late 60's/early 70's. When Ron joined this band, Declan was already the bass player, so Ron came on board as rhythm guitarist, and they stayed on these instruments. This band was still active when the reunion occurred, and Ron suddenly found himself in the position of being a lead guitarist, for the first time in his life, since Ron Elliott is, arguably, one of the best rhythm guitarists from the era (this is actually a direct quote from Ted Templeman to Declan, who told it to me. I concur; actually, much more than a rhythm player, he truly "painted" intricate masterpieces on that fingerboard, and difficult to play second guitar to. Just sitting around with him playing, it was quite amazing to watch how his hands would move around those strings!). By the way, the "live" album CD wrongly lists Meagher as bassist, and Dec as guitarist (at least, may copy does). I also believe that Ron played some of the harmonica on that show, though I don't quite remember. I do believe Dec played on "Tennesse Walker" - he did on the album.
This contributed to, but was not the sole reason, behind the situation of Meagher leaving, and going back to The Bay Area, and starting a new version of the Black Velvet Band, that was EXTREMELY succesful, where Ron Meagher developed into a very fine guitarist, being the leader, and only guitarist, in the band. The Black Velvets were truly a good band, and made good money. Both versions!


Ron M. has been involved in the two Brummel gigs that took place most recently, one in San Francisco, and one in New York, with members of the Smithereens (as I remember

 

Jackson Hart [guest]

 

Answer to Stephen

Posted 5-29-2001 12:10

 Declan involved me in the late 70's, after hiring me to play with him. First Ron Meagher played dates with us, backed out for personal reasons, then Ron Elliott. Eventually, Elliott left to go to do session work for Val Garay, who was producing Dolly Parton, at the time (Elliott is a guitarist on her album that featured her remake of "Save The Last Dance For Me"). Sal joined with us, a couple of months later. I played with varying combinations of the four of them, off and on, until around 1997, when I moved to The Philippines (When I was in the band, I started out using my real name, John Hjort, switching to John Hart, because it was easier to pronounce, then to Jackson Hart, because there was a recording artist out with the name John Hart). I'm about to return to SF in two weeks (Elliott says, "Thanks for the warning"!), where I'll make a decision to get back into music there, or come back here. I'll definitely see Dec, Ron, and Ron, and I heard John is around town now. Anyway, I hope that answers your question.

Jackson Hart [guest]

 

Hey, Joey!

Posted 5-29-2001 12:14

 If Joey Hornick, or a friend of his, ever drops by this page, I'd like to know how he's doing. Pass this along, if you know him, please.

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Another question Please

Posted 5-29-2001 22:22

Hello Mr. Hart,

Many thanks for your response - I deeply appreciate the time and effort in corresponding with me. I am learning quite a bit about BB history here as there just does not seem to be a lot of information available. (I have never seen a book dedicated to BB history.) From what I am hearing is it safe to say that the BB's are still on good terms with each other and that they play together once in a while when the mood stikes and schedules allow?

I agree with your assessment of Ron E.'s guitar playing. While I have never had the pleasure of seeing him I can determine by listening that he is a master of combining what could easily be two parts into one. That definitely helped in the recordings following Dec's departure - it saved on tracking overlays. One of the more evident examples, for me, is "Dream On."

Do the BB's ever ponder the "what might have beens" in their careers such as, "What would have happened if Warner Bros. hadn't derailed their third album?" Have they ever discussed such things with you?

Have you ever worked with Ron E. on solo projects or other endeavors? How much leeway did you have in perfoming with the BB's over the years? Did you always play straight off the record note for note? Many thanks in advance and I hope that you do not mind my many questions.

Take Care,
  Stephen Cargile

JacksonHart

 

My work with the group

Posted 5-30-2001 03:29

 Ron and I wrote several songs together. One, "Back To Life", with me singing, was pressed as a single, and shopped around, to no avail. The flip side was a Mulligan-penned/sung song, called "Native Son" - ended up selling it at gigs. Dec and Ron E. were very supportive, and we did many of my originals in our live performances.
The band is like a family of brothers, connected by their history. Believe me, there have been ups and downs through the years, but they always seem to have the bond keeping them conciliatory, at the end of it all. Feel free to e-mail me at <beaubrummels@sanfrancisco.com>, and I'll be glad to answer your questions about my experiences with The Beau Brummels. Lot of laughs and heartbreaks, and wonderful fans, of course.
You had asked about any fond memories I might have - one jumps out at me:
We had a gig in Monterey on my birthday (I think it was '84), and we picked Sal up at his parents' house, south of San Francisco, on our way down there. Nobody had much mentioned the birthday, which I certainly didn't mind. When Sal came out of the house, he had a box under his arm. When he got in the van, he handed it to me: it was a birthday cake! I was startled, and touched. I didn't know he even realized it was my birthday, and was amazed he went to the trouble. We stuffed ourselves with cake all the way to Monterey! When we got there, two loyal fans, Linda and Richard Lucas, had set up a small "surprise party", with lots of gifts, and ANOTHER CAKE (no wonder I'm so fat)! A memorable day, thanks to Sal and our fans!
I'll post other stories, when I find the time. Some of them are funny, as you might imagine.
.............................................Jackson

JacksonHart

 

e-mail correction

Posted 5-30-2001 12:23

Sorry, I just noticed I wrote my e-mail address down wrong, in the above message! It's supposed to be:
<beaubrummels@sanfrancisco.usa.com>

JacksonHart

 

Stephen's e-mail

Posted 5-31-2001 11:48

 Seems maybe you sent me an e-mail, and I accidently deleted it, and couldn't get it back! Want to try again?.......Jackson

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

The Break-up

Posted 5-30-2001 22:33

Greetings to All,

What prompted Ron and Sal to call it quits after Bradley's Barn? Was it strictly a case of album sales and contracts or did they feel the urge to go in other directions? While Bradley's Barn may not have sold as well as it should have, it seems that the BB's were on a path similar to Gene Clark, Mike Nesmith, The Byrds and The Flying Burrito Brothers. (Their album sales were not sky-high either but those recordings are highly respected today.) Thanks for any and all responses. Come on BB fans - join in.

Take Care,
  Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Break-up

Posted 5-31-2001 11:58

 The impression I get, from talking to them about it (years ago!), is that it wasn't so much of a break-up, as it was just getting led in different directions. Larger record sales may have kept it together, but Ron was writing for the likes of The Everly Brothers, eventually recording his own album, and ending up doing the Pan recording project, while Sal got into his own thing, and, eventually, Stoneground. Meagher had been drafted earlier, and Dec toured the East, then The British Isles, with his own band, "Samuel Pepys", which grew into The Black Velvet Band, which Meagher eventually joined (saw that band - they kicked ass!).

JacksonHart

 

Bradley's Barn

Posted 5-31-2001 12:03

 Ron told me something I always got a kick out of: The Great Jerry Reed is the other guitarist on Bradley's Barn! He's the one playing dobro guitar on "Turnaround", for example. For those of you who aren't familiar with Jerry, he had several big hits of his own, including "Amos Moses", and, "When You're Hot, You're Hot", and appeared in a couple of Burt Reynolds films. Aside from all of that, he was a top-notch studio-guitarist!.............Jackson

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Triangle

Posted 5-31-2001 21:51

Greetings to Everyone,

It would have seemed that, in the wake of the disasterous "Beau Brummels '66" album, that the group would have avoided covers on "Triangle". With all due respect to Randy Newman, why did the group record "My Old Kentucky Home" when they had an apparent back log of their own material? The wealth of demo material that appeared on the "San Fran Sessions" CD was fantastic. Was it simply a case of they loved the tune and just had to record it? Did another BB composition get left in the can because of this?

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

My Old Kentucky Home

Posted 6-1-2001 02:20

According to Elliott, they were prompted to put it on there by the-powers-that-were at Warners. Randy was part of the "stable", at the time. Funny you should have made this comment. Elliott once said to me, about the song: " I don't know why they wanted us to do that song. Randy never recorded any of mine!".....Jackson

Stephen C. [guest]

 

My Old KY Home

Posted 6-1-2001 10:26

Hello Jackson,

Good one! That certainly puts that issue to rest once and for all. The actual recording seems to be very light hearted, almost casual, so that approach may have been a reflection of being "forced" to do it. It almost seems "out of place" on the album. Thanks for the info Jackson and I hope that you received my "Take 2" e-mail to replace the first one.

And I hope that has Randy thanked The BB's at some point since then!

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Kentucky Home

Posted 6-1-2001 10:46

 Your impression was entirely accurate. I think the production staff wanted to liven things up a bit.
When Sal and I had our band in the 90's, playing primarily around Nevada, "Kentucky" was part of our rep, simply because it was a foot stomper, but it always did seem out of place with that album...J

JacksonHart

 

San Fran Sessions CD

Posted 6-1-2001 10:48

 By the way, Warners didn't release that material, because Tom Donahue sold it to Vault Records. Warners only got the group!............J

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

BB "Family Tree"

Posted 6-1-2001 16:40

Greetings to Everyone,

Our friend Jackson has provided a lot of great information regarding "The Black Velvet Band" which featured Ron M. and Dec. Then there are John joining "Harper's Bizarre", Sal with "Stone Ground" and Ron E. with "Pan." Here is an idea - and a request - to everyone: could we pool our information and create a diagrammatic "family tree" which shows all of these relationships? There was a great book back in the 1970's that did just that for many bands and it was very informative. It would be nice to gather all of the names and dates in one spot. What do you all think?

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Family Tree

Posted 6-1-2001 18:44

There was a German article, that came out in the 80's, that had a pretty decent family tree printed up (even had Peter Tepp in there, who replaced John Petersen on drums, at the end of the '75 tour). Once I get back to the States, I'll look in my stuff and dig it out for you........J

Stephen C. [guest]

 

BB Family Tree

Posted 6-1-2001 22:53

Hello Jackson,

You the man Mr. J! I owe you for all of the great information that you are providing. Dinner is on me if you ever get to Jacksonville. A Florida tour always works well in the winter time . . .

Have a good weekend and I'll "talk" with you soon.

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Florida

Posted 6-2-2001 19:28

Sounds good! Sal and I did Florida with Donnie Brooks' "30 Years Of Rock & Roll" in the mid- 90's (somewhere near Tampa), and it was great! Kind of like The Philippines (where I am now). Definitely look you up, if I/we ever make it that way again!.....J

BeauBrummel [guest]

 

Triangle On CD

Posted 6-4-2001 04:22


To anyone who has been looking for the Brummels "Triangle" on cd, there is one copy up for bid at www.ebay.com..you might want to take a look.

Cass

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Request For Joyce Kady

Posted 6-7-2001 16:44

Hello Joyce,

Many thanks for posting the photos - they are great candid shots. If you do not mind the request, would you consider posting the "story behind the snapshots?" Were there any funny moments? Your story would be enjoyable to read.

From One Fan to Another,
Stephen Cargile

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Bootlegs

Posted 6-6-2001 10:35

Greetings to Everyone,

Does anybody have any BB bootleg albums/CD's? (I am not referring to illegal verbatim copies of released studio albums but the usual fare of radio/TV appearances, live tracks, etc.) I have never seen one and I do not know if they even exist.

Take Care,
Stephen

BeauBrummel [guest]

 

Re: Bootlegs

Posted 6-7-2001 04:10

Hi Stephen,

I have not seen anything like that... but A lot of stuff like that pop's up on ebay and other auction places. (I wouldn't recommend buying any though, the quality is mostly very bad and I believe that those are illegal too because they are not licensed.)

I would recommend finding the video's of the shows the Brummels performed on. I know "Village of the Giants" is available again and you can also I believe buy "Shindig" and a few other's that they appeared on :)

All the best...
    Cass

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Bootlegs

Posted 6-7-2001 10:18

Hello Cass,

Many thanks for your response. I am enjoying your site immensely - thank-you for establishing it. What are the chances of getting Ron, Ron, Sal, Dec and John involved in the site at some point?

Take Care,
Stephen

BeauBrummel [guest]

 

Re: Bootlegs

Posted 6-7-2001 19:24

Hi Stephen,

Thank you for the nice comment regarding the site!

I do know that two members of the Beau Brummels have visited the site..:)

Smiles...
     Cass

 

JacksonHart

 

Joyce Kady's Photos

Posted 6-7-2001 12:21

I noticed in the photo marked "Band", that Don Irving is the band member between John Petersen and Ron Meagher, with Ron Elliott on the right......Jackson

BeauBrummel [guest]

 

Re: Photos

Posted 6-7-2001 19:26

Joyce had their names all written down and I don't think I posted his name... I will correct that.

All the best..
Cass

  

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Ron's 12-string guitar

Posted 5-23-2001 22:07

Greetings to Everyone,

As a guitar player myself I always like to hear Ron's "feather like" acoustic 12-string. This playing was highlighted on the "San Fran Sessions" compilation. Does anyone the make and model of Ron's 12-string guitar from this period? If I had to guess I would say that it was a dreadnought Guild. Many thanks for any and all responses.

Take Care,
Stephen C.

JacksonHart

 

Ron's Acoustic 12-string

Posted 6-7-2001 12:08

Ron says he remembers it as being a Gretch, but doesn't remember the model. He also says that he used a double-neck 6/12-string after that, but doesn't remember what brand it was. I'll ask Dec, when I see him. He may remember.

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Ron's Guitar

Posted 6-7-2001 16:58

Hello Jackson,

I definitely owe you big on this one and I appreciate your efforts in tracking this answer for me.

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Double-neck guitar

Posted 6-8-2001 14:35

Forgot to mention that the double neck 6/12 string guitar Ron used was an electric guitar. I'm wondering if that might be it, in Joyce's photo (marked: "Touray, 1966). It's not too clear on the rig I'm using, so can't be sure, though it sure looks like a double-neck...............J

Stephen C. [guest]

 

A Second Album in '75?

Posted 6-4-2001 16:24

Greetings to All,

Did the BB's have an option from Warner Brothers for a second album during their 1975 reunion? Does anyone know the sales figures for "The Beau Brummels" reunion album?

Take Care,
Stephen Cargile

JacksonHart

 

'75 Album

Posted 6-5-2001 04:54

Don't remember if there was an option, but the guys have told me they were disappointed that Warners didn't put much effort into promoting the album, once it was released, and the sales were pretty dismal. I lived right in San Francisco, at the time, and I never even saw an ad, or the album, and I was very active in buying records, at the time. I never knew about it until the day Dec took me over to Ron E.'s apartment (this was the day I first met Ron) in North Beach (SF), and he played me the album from the master tape. I ended up picking up a used copy.
Ron, after that, was involved in a band at A&M Records, called "The Giants". The album got recorded (Ron used to have one - think he still does), but the lead singer got into a fist-fight with the manager, in one of the corporate offices, or something like that, and A&M dropped the project like a hot potato, according to R.E. Kind of a funny story, in retrospect. It was a pretty good album, by the way. STRONG lead singer, I remember
..................................................J

Stephen C. [guest]

 

The Reunion

Posted 6-5-2001 10:56

Hello Jackson,

I hope that you have been getting my recent e-mails. I have been receiving yours without a problem.

Yes, I know what you mean about the publicity surrounding the reunion album. I NEVER saw a word about it and I simply stumbled across a copy in the (new) record store. Ironically, I was looking at the Beatles section and noticed a BB section right behind which was one of the intentions of the BB name. (At least that is my understanding.) I do, however, remember the review printed in Rolling Stone which was not favorable. The review compared the effort to the 1973 Byrds reunion album and claimed that both albums were lackluster. At that moment I said, "Great, go ahead and pan the album. Then nobody will buy it, it will flop and then the BB's will break-up again." I've sworn off music critics since then.

Of course, this was 1975 and Warner Brothers was in the process of destroying Badfinger at that time (in which they succeeded). Maybe Warner needs to stay away from all rock bands that start with the letter "B" . . . .

Always a pleasure to hear from you Jackson!

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Byrds/Badfinger/Brummels

Posted 6-7-2001 12:03

Never saw that review, I don't believe. Saw good reviews of "Triangle" and "Bradley's Barn" when they came out, but they didn't sell much, either.
Ironically, I just listened to that Byrds' reunion album two nights ago. I really enjoyed that album. I MISS GENE CLARK! That album went gold, I believe, in spite of Rolling Stone.
Badfinger. I played several concerts on guitar with Joey Molland. A thrill of a lifetime, especially playing slide guitar on "Day After Day"! A cherished memory. Badfinger is, and was, Declan's favorite group (after The Beatles, of course). We used to play a lot of Badfinger's material. Joey is the only person I've ever met who was born on the same day (date and year) as I was...................Jackson

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Coincidences

Posted 6-7-2001 16:56

Hello Jackson,

I know that this is a BB site, but . . .

I am fortunate enough to have met both Gene Clark and Joey Molland. Met them both twice actually. Got a chance to tell Gene that he was "a hell of a songwriter" which he appreciated. We talked about the RCA version of Eight Miles High and he informed me (in 1987) that it was going to be released (he was excited about that). Gene is one of my all-time favorites and I was severely depressed when he passed away back in April 1991. Michael Clarke told me that it was "definitely not drugs." I could only assume that it was the alcohol but I do not know.

Joey is one the most likable and appreciative rockers you could ever meet. He will spend as much time with you as you want. I spoke with him here in Jax last September for about 20 minutes after a show. When did you play with him?

It is interesting that Dec favored BF after the Fab Four. It is a natural step for all Beatles fans. It is a small world and a lot of this music ties together in some way.

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

BBs with Joey Molland

Posted 6-8-2001 14:19

Sal and I appeared with our edition of The Beaus on a tour called "30 Years Of Rock & Roll", fronted by Donnie Brooks (top-10 in 1960, "Mission Bell"). We did The beau Brummels hits, then the four of us, sans Sal, backed up the other members of the tour (this was a pain, because our regular lead guitarist and drummer opted not to play on the tour, and the last-minute replacements we got were disappointing - everybody on the tour was unhappy with the drummer, and the guitarist didn't rehearse properly; made us look bad). They included Otis Day & The Knights, Dennis Yost of The Classics IV, Tiny Tim, Len Barry ("1-2-3", "Bris-
tol Stomp"), and Joey Molland, amongst others. I believe it was '94, or maybe '95. Difficulties ensued, so Sal continued on with the tour, and I left to do a stint backing The Jordanaires in Reno, in their tribute show (with Sharon Haynes) to Patsy Cline, another experience of a lifetime! The Jordanaires have sang on more recordings than any vocal group in history, and were wonderful people. My lord, what stories they had to tell!...................................Jackson

Stephen C. [guest]

 

BB's and Joey

Posted 6-8-2001 16:57

Hello Jackson,

I'll e-mail you for some Q & A on Joey Molland. I am a big Badfinger fan - and Byrds fan - as well. Can't wait to go home and plug in my Rickenbacker 360/12.

Take Care,
Stephen

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Don Irving

Posted 6-11-2001 10:42

Greetings to Everyone,

We know that Don Irving was a "hired gun" in 1966 to fill in for Ron E. on the road and he appears on the cover of the "BB '66" album. Did Don play on all of these tracks? Did he perform on any tracks that appeared on any other BB releases? Thanks in advance.

Take Care,
Stephen

 

Stephen C. [guest]

 

Stoneground & Pan

Posted 6-13-2001 10:22

Greetings to Everyone,

I am interested in the personnel line-ups in Sal's Stoneground and Ron E.'s Pan as well as the formation/break-up dates. I used to have their respective albums back in the 1970's but they were misplaced over the years. (My apologies to Sal and Ron.) I believe that Dan Levitt (guitarist on the BB reunion album) was also a member of Pan. Does anybody have any information regarding this? Many thanks ahead of time.

Take Care,
Stephen

JacksonHart

 

Stoneground/Pan

Posted 6-14-2001 04:37

Dan Levitt was a member of Pan. When I see Ron, I'll take a look at the album cover, and see who the others are. I believe he still has that album.
Stoneground had a lot of people in the group. I remember five of the original members off the top of my head: lead guitarist Tim Barnes (currently gigging with a blues band on the West Coast, and playing GREAT - I saw him in Reno in 1999), and the four female members, Deidre LaPorte, Lynn Hughes, Annie Sampson, and Lydia Moreno. That's by memory. I think I have the albums up in Reno, and will give you more names when I can, unless someone else can supply you with them before that.
Did you know that Pablo Cruise grew out of the latter stages of Stonground? Cory Lerios was in the group, Dave Jenkins was around the 'fringes' according to Sal, and, I believe, one of the other members was in Stoneground, as well, though I can't remember for sure.

JacksonHart

 

Stoneground/Pan

Posted 6-14-2001 04:40

Dan Levitt was a member of Pan. When I see Ron, I'll take a look at the album cover, and see who the others are. I believe he still has that album.
Stoneground had a lot of people in the group. I remember five of the original members off the top of my head: lead guitarist Tim Barnes (currently gigging with a blues band on the West Coast, and playing GREAT - I saw him in Reno in 1999), and the four female members, Deidre